Tandem days

meisenimverbis

Civis Illustris

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Location:
Rio de Janeiro
It'll be a year since I found Tandem. I was looking for apps to try to improve in Latin. Haven't found any. I still thought that Tandem might have people to interact with in Latin, although I did install it and immediately was drawn to Italian, which I always wanted to learn, but never had the money. (Before Tandem I thought I needed to pay in order to learn a language...) But it was unexplainable to hear the Italians chitchat, you know? It felt like "wow! now I can learn Italian!"

It's been 10 months of Tandem and Duolingo. As a Portuguese native speaker, Italian isn't that far away. Duolingo gave me a good basic knowledge. (I also have a verb book, and conjugated a few Italian verbs, to get a general notion of it. I should do it more, it feels like, but, well...) Now I'm beginning to force myself to speak a little more Italian on Tandem, and I will try to begin use Falou (another app, focused on speech). Then, after a couple of months, I'll jump on to Busuu Italian, and try to go on learning, acquiring language on Busuu.

(The reason for the interval is that Duolingo is a little game, as some here might know, and I want to reach 365 days using it before I break, so I decided to begin learning Czech, on Duolingo, so as to have the experience of a language really different from my own, and test the app a little on that... It's a little harder to find people making language parties in Czech on Tandem though, but you can find them. But I'm not yet looking for that, because I'm too basic in Czech, and I'm just trying to get the jist of it with Duolingo before I try any interactions. After 365 days though, I'll reduce the rythm on Czech -- not interrupt, but radically reduce -- because I'll go back to Italian, which is my priority, and will go on with Italian on Busuu, as I said above.)

I really enjoy Tandem. There was a time there was a bug on the app, and I couldn't have access to the language parties (audio rooms), so I tried Clubhouse, but Clubhouse is not language oriented, so it doesn't work the same way as Tandem. Tandem is really interesting, because people there are really open, and you don't only practice language, you also make friends, if you are friendly enough. It's also fascinating to be able to be instantly in contact with people from all around the world, no matter what time zone: There's always someone awake. It's really funny, I usually get the night owl Italians, because the time gap now is 5 hours from Central Europe to Brazil, and there are always some Italian there when it's like 9 o'clock in Brazil! It's also great to make parties in English, you find a lot of people from Indonesia, Taiwan, etc, beginning their (next) day... It's really amazing! I interacted with a guy from Nepal, recently, he was talking to me about his culture, and the Geography of Nepal. I'd never had known anything if I hadn't talked to him. I didn't know about the political stress that there is between Taiwan and China, which I came to know talking with Taiwanese folks. Also, I met recently a girl from Cyprus, who was saying that there is political tension there too, because a while back in the 20th century, I think, Turkey occupied part of the island, so it's divided in two know, the northeast is Turkish, the southwest is of Greek culture. She also told me that, although very distant, Cyprian Greek resembles ancient Greek a little more than continental Greek, in vocabulary...

Does anyone here use Tandem?
 

Pacifica

grammaticissima

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Location:
Belgium
I don't use Tandem, but I do use Duolingo—have been for over two years. It's kind of addictive; you don't wanna lose that streak, lol. So as soon as I finish a course I start another. Thus far I've gone through Arabic, Dutch, Swahili, Italian, and am currently doing German. I'm thinking it can't hurt to dabble a little all over the place in the fun Duolingo way, even if I never study all those languages in depth (for now the only one I'm studying more or less seriously, i.e. outside of Duolingo, is Arabic).

Based on what you describe, I can see why you're enthused by your Tandem experience. All that cultural exchange etc. sounds pretty interesting, although I personally can only handle chatting in (very) small amounts so Tandem probably wouldn't be for me.
 
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meisenimverbis

Civis Illustris

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Location:
Rio de Janeiro
Sometimes it's fun just to listen, you know? (You enter the language party as a listener, and you only go onto the speakers "stage" if you raise your hand, then the host brings you there.) Sometimes I get into a party and stay there just listening what they are saying, and don't care to join the conversation. Particularly for language learning, it's great to be able to listen. If you're learning Arabic, it might be useful for you to practice listening (althought there are many different variations, I hear). Arabic is one of the big languages in the app, because there are a lot of speakers. (The languages that usually have the most amount of parties are (usually in this order, and in my time zone, at night) English and Spanish, then Arabic, Portuguese (usually Brazilian), Russian, French, Chinese (either Mandarin or Cantonese), Japanese, Korean, then German, Italian, sometimes you see Romanian, Greek, Czech, Polish, Ukrainian...)

I mean, with Duolingo/Busuu, and listening and being able to interact with native and/or fluent speakers, if you are a person who isn't completely lost in language (self) learning, you don't ever need a language course or teacher anymore... Language courses will only attend people who really don't have a clue on where to start, or that haven't yet found out that they don't need to pay to learn anymore, because all we need is there now.
 

Iáson

Cívis Illústris

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ōlim, crēdō, gustāuī (gustāue!) sed frūstrā. uoluī inuenīre aliōs quibuscum exercērem linguās cōram in quōdam oppidō, sed 'Tandem' magis spectat ad colloquia per rēte.

uidētur autem mihi nōn tam simpliciter et faciliter linguās discī; sānē, colloquium prōdest multum, sed dēbēs quoque grammatica discere. in ūniuersitāte inter amīcōs collocūtus sum latīnē, et crēdō hoc multō auxiliō fuisse mihi in hāc pulcherrimā linguā discendā, sed nōs nōn modo dē nūgīs garriēbāmus, sed litterās quoque ūnā legēbāmus et disputābāmus. carmina legere, latīnā linguā explicāre, deinde et latīnē dē significātiōne disserere - sunt modī quī nōs et dēlectant et docent.

id quoque suspicor, quod dīxistī tē uersārī per multās linguās et hominēs. sāne, iuuat hoc, sed sī uelīs linguam colere, dēbēs multum temporis ūnī linguae tribuere. ita quidem mihi uidētur. sī enim cotīdiē tertiam partem hōrae seruō ad quamcumque linguam, inueniō mē paene nihil prōgressum esse etiam post quattor annōs; sī autem studeō quīnque hōrās in diē, post duās septimānās multō magis mē didicisse sentiō.

exemplum. mihi ualdē placent pelliculae quae uocantur iaponicae (アニメ). cotīdiē igitur ūnam saltem spectō, ex quō prīmum ad ūniuersitātem uēnī. sed etiam post ūnum annum spectandō nihil didicī nisi uerba prōrsus simplicissima, et haec nōn bene. necesse fuit quoque operam dāre rēbus grammaticīs, discere litterās. inuēnī, quantum potuī, tempus uacuum ad studendum, et didicī fundāmenta linguae et rēgulās quae saepissime in ūsū sunt. post haec inuēnī aliquem, cuī iaponica est lingua māterna, et quācum quot septimānīs loquor dīmidiam hōram iaponicē, et iam nōnnūllōs annōs ita ēgī. sed etiam nunc, bene loquī iaponicē nequeō, quia careō tempore quō satis operam dem. et sī modo loquar eō modō, sciō cērtē numquam fore ut bonam facultātem linguae attingam.
 

meisenimverbis

Civis Illustris

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Location:
Rio de Janeiro
I've been studying Latin for more than 20 years Iáson. I'm graduated in Latin Language and Literature. (I decided not to try to become a teacher because I always had to myself that I'd go for a Major in Latin after I became fluent, which hasn't happened yet.) Grammar is not my problem. I tried reading, I tried listening, I tried writing, I tried translating, I tried vocabulary study... I need people to speak with. There's no other way I can see or expect to try.

I'm in a bitter time with Latin. I think I should give up. I won't, but it's very frustrating. And it's also frustrating not to find people to interact with. It's not that there aren't any. So I don't know what it is.

I'm learning Italian. I'm beginning to learn Czech. I make my work for learning the basics, and even more than that. I wouldn't have even begun Italian if I hadn't found interaction before. Just to listen to them speaking among themselves was enough. I wish two of you guys would gather anywhere I could just listen, that would be great. Maybe after sometime I'd even feel confident to try to join.

Anyway... I rant. (Sorry about that.)
 

Iáson

Cívis Illústris

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crēdō esse locōs in rēte ubi potes colloquī latīnē. exempla: https://latinandgreekchats.weebly.com, https://www.patreon.com/posts/latinums-latinum-8939124. numquam uēnī ad haec, ergo commendāre nōn possum, sed potes īnspicere ipse.

et quoque Sociētās Linguārum Antiquārum Oxōniēnsis habet scholam latīnē Uergiliānam quae est et cōram et per rēte, in quā legunt Aeneidem Uergilī. quam commendāre possum, nam nōnnūllōs per annōs aderam ipse. fiunt scholae diē Martis hōrā septimā pōmerīdiānā Britannicā, sed sōlum illīs septimānīs, quibus scholae sunt Oxōniī (ergo iterum mēnsī Octobrī). descrīptiō hīc invenītur, et nōmina hominum quōs adīre potes ut ingrediāris.
 
 

rothbard

Aedilis

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Location:
London
I use Duolingo every day, and have learned Spanish and French through it. I have a Tandem account. These days I don't have any time for language exchange, however it was invaluable several months ago when it helped me to have conversations in French for the first time. I don't need Tandem for Spanish since my wife is a native speaker, or for German since I can practice it at work. Back in March 2020 I subscribed to a pen pal app called Slowly, and soon afterwards I was contacted by someone in Brazil. I don't speak Portuguese, however I replied in Latin since her profile said she knew Latin. She never wrote back. I don't know if it was because she didn't understand my letter, or because I'd written that I thought I had Covid.
 
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