Bastard hand with abbreviations manuscript from Switzerland.

[cinefactus]

Something like: Astronomy is twofold, which is about heavenly bodies and their changes, sizes and shapes, (&) movements.

hac proprietatibus huiusmodi motus consequentibus ut sunt coniunctiones oppositiones eclipses et similia

 

[Lucifer]

This way properties such movement consequent as is joined oppositely eclipse and similar.

I really do need to learn Latin so I can put these words in the correct order.

S12, P1L20-23

Alia et astronomia considerate ex motibus astrorum effectus consequentes exillis motibus et * in ubi-inferioribus ait quando quis judieat ex motibus astrorum quod arquis natus subtali aut titulus signo.

Alternate and astronomy considered from movement stars effect consequent from that movement and * in which below at when what declare from movement star that hold made under such or title mark.

The tenth word I am unsure about exvillis? evillis, evilesco: to become worthless ex illis: from that. The words at the end of the line are hard to see. et with an o above/after, and then maybe an i with a line over it, in. There is also the curved line above the word below. The last part has a tear though it, but the fragments look like they might spell ubi-. The next line starts with in, so where in? The word below with the curve above looks like arquis. I found only one word in that part of the dictionary, arquitenens, see arcitenens. arcitenens (rquit-) holding a bow, bow-bearing, the archer. arcte, see arte. arte closely, fast, firmly.

 

[cinefactus]

This way properties such movement consequent as is joined oppositely eclipse and similar.

I am not sure how to make out the first bit of the sentence
something about with this (something about) the consequent properties of this kind of motion (the rest is clearer) as are conjunctions, oppositions eclipses and the like.

 

[cinefactus]

the sentence doesn't finish there, it it quite long
considerans
ut not ait
judicat
aquis

 

[Lucifer]

It is quite long, I wasn’t sure if the red dot was the start of the next sentence. Here is Line 20-25:

alia est astronomia considerans ex motibus astrorum effectus consequentras exillis motibus et * in ubi- inferioribus ut quando quis iudicat ex motibus astrorum quod aquis natus subtali aut titulus signo eruit fortunatus aut in fortunatus ut quando ex*tltum coniunctiones est caristic pestelenac et con*moi* et illa proprie vocatur astronomia uidiaatur aut astrologia

Alternately is astronomy considered from movement astral performance consequent from that motion and * in which- below how when what declare from movement stars that water as things are under such or rather title mark elicit fortunate or rather unfortunate how when from* encompass is crafty destructive and commotion and this characteristic invitation astronomy view or astrology

I remain skeptical of aquis. I am unsure about several of the words. It is unfortunate that the top of the page is missing, and therefore possibly the rest of this sentence on page 2 is missing. Of significance is the final word on this page, astrology, as this may point to what lies ahead in this manuscript.

 

[cinefactus]

It is talking about astrology as opposed to astronomy. Aquis will be talking about aquarians.

I haven't had time to fully decipher everything, but this is what I have so far:

Alia est astronomia considerans ex motibus astrorum effectus consequentes ex illis motibus et cetera ? inferioribus ut ? quis iudicat ex motibus astrorum quod aquis natus subtali aut ? signo sit fortunatus aut infortunatus ? ? ? ? eius eveniant ? pestilentiae et ? et illa proprie vocatur astronomia ? aut astrologia

 

[cinefactus]

I am going to have to eat my words. A learned colleague pointed out that there is a contraction symbol in the aquis

I am wondering if the bit that looks like ubi might be in illis

Alia est astronomia considerans ex motibus astrorum effectus consequentes ex illis motibus et cetera ? inferioribus ut quando quis judicat ex motibus astrorum quod aliquis natus subtali aut tali signo sit fortunatus aut infortunatus ? ? ? coniunctiones eorum eveniant ? pestilentiae et ?quondam morbi et illa proprie vocatur astronomia ? aut astrologia

Is the left bottom corner of the page turned down? It looks like there might be something missing under it.

 

[Lucifer]

It is talking about astrology as opposed to astronomy. Aquis will be talking about aquarians.
I haven't had time to fully decipher everything, but this is what I have so far:

I appreciate your help, I need to find the time to go over this part.

I am going to have to eat my words. A learned colleague pointed out that there is a contraction symbol in the aquis

I am wondering if the bit that looks like ubi might be in illis

Is the left bottom corner of the page turned down? It looks like there might be something missing under it.

I did see the the curved line above aquis, but until you mentioned it, I didn’t think about it relating to horoscopes.
I won't rule out illis, but the two previous ille and illa have the second L equal or shorter than the first, doesn't look like that in this fragment.
I will find the time this weekend to examine that part of the document at the beginning of the last line.

 

[Lucifer]

Alternately is astronomy considered from movement stars effect consequent from that movement and the rest below as when anything examined from movement stars that to some degree are under such or such sign is fortunate or unfortunate how when from such encompass flow emerge caustic pestilence and occasional disease and this characteristic invitation astronomy view or astrology

Seems a bit dramatic.

If the word that looks like tld is tali (about the 26th word) such, then I think the (34th) word is ex tali from such.

iudico, -are, -avi, -atum to judge, examine, sentence, condemn; to form an opinion of, decide, to declare.

aliqui some or other, some; a kind of, a sort of; of some: extent, degree, etc., a certain amount of; a few; not none; a particular; at one time, once upon a time; …

eorum

eo to go, proceed; to move, pass, go (in a specified direction), to run, flow; to spread, to have a specified rhythm; set out; to continue moving, advance, go or come on; …

I am guessing caustic, the word before pestilentiae.

quondam before the present moment or the time in question, formerly; in ancient times; on an occasion in the past, once (upon a time); in the future, in time to come, some day; on occasion, at times.

morbus disease, illness, sickness, infirmity; a particular disease, complaint, malady; a weakness, failing, vice

The meaning of quondam seems to be based on context as the definition includes past, present, and future. Attached is a picture of this abbreviation, The image is not much better, but there seems to be something before the 9 with curve above.

 

[cinefactus]

It looks like there are some letters under the fold on the last two lines, which would be helpful to see.
It is talking about the stars affecting earthly fortunes.

 

[Lucifer]

That is the picture without the fold, it’s hard to see what is at that crease.

 

[Lucifer]

Here is page 2.

I skipped the fragmented part and started with the first full sentence. Here is what I have for the first Three sentences by line:

Quarto notandum quod astronomia

Fourthly remarked that astronomy

est de corporibus celestibus quantitatibus ? valde utilis est et

is embodied celestial magnitude ? greatly useful is and

licita perimo ex illa quia modiaticus valet ad ingenium supra in tellectus

legitimate destruction from that because measured strength disposition above earth

humani persector. Unde regimen physiologias in tellectus humanus naturlit in elinatur

human persue. From what guidance science earth human nature in unnatural

ad contemplandis corpora tam nobilia stest super celestia et. Certus inanis divert

regarding confirm bodily so much known stands beyond celestial and. Certain space divert

que in signis hosticum natura uultus homullus erexit sursid uastum astris et

that then indicates foreign nature appearance human raise upwards vast astral and

non beutorum animatus quia non hnt? in tellectis.

not fortunate animated because not ? in this earth.

 

[cinefactus]

notandum means it should be noted

 

[cinefactus]

Haven't had a chance to have a good look yet, but I haven't forgotten.

 

[cinefactus]

This is what I have
Quartario notandum quod astro-nomia quod est de corporibus caelestibus quantitatibus ? valde utilis est et licita primo ex illa quod multum valet ad ingenii summam intellectus humani perfectionem

 

[Lucifer]

I’m wondering if the ? is ire, a form of eo to go.

My literal translation:

Fourthly it should be noted that astronomy that is embodied celestial magnitude goes greatly useful is and legitimate at first from that that much strength disposition total intellect human perfection.

My guess at the meaning:

Fourthly, it should be noted that astronomy, which embodies the magnitude of celestial bodies, is very useful and legitimate at first from that which is of great value to the genius, the highest intellect, human perfection.

 

[cinefactus]

I’m wondering if the ? is ire, a form of eo to go.

No. The three preceding words need something to connect them. My best guess is istorum, but it is still a bit odd.

I am struggling a bit here with parts of it:
Fourthly it should be noted that astronomy, which is about celestial bodies ? quantities, is extremely useful and (not quite sure about the grammar here) the most valued part of it that it is greatly effective in the perfection of the height of talent, of human intellect.

 

[Lucifer]

I have indexed the words to ease referencing particular instances. I started on page one with a guess of 60 for the damaged part. The mystery word in this sentence is 381. it looks like three digits, i i and a symbol, the second i is curved so it may be something else and there are two dots over the word. One dot could be for the first letter i and the second dot could be for a missing letter. the final symbol has come up before at 119, 300. 300 was thought to be eius, and then eorum, but eorum was identified at 243. This symbol looks like a tall lower case e, there is a symbol for rum that looks like this with a 2 at the upper left. The Cappelli lexicon on page 2 describes a similar symbol that can be to indicate simply the omission of any final letter(s), it is especially to indicate the dropping of the ending -is. There are a couple examples on page 3 of that lexicon.

Page 16 of the Cappelli lexicon describes the two heavy dots closely spaced symbol as a transformation of the letter a.

Although the word at 381 looks different than 119 and 300, it may be the same. Could it be eius?

 

[cinefactus]

Not eius, but it could be illius.

 

[Lucifer]

illius ille that; the aforementioned; those. about celestial bodies and the aforementioned quantities…

firstly considered one by one of the heavens and quantities and movement its and otherwise effect to begin to occur and of yours first consider the aforementioned astronomy therefore. at 119.

examined from movement stars that to some degree are under such or such sign is fortunate or unfortunate how when from such encompass the aforementioned emerge caustic pestilence and… at 300.

It seems to work.

For the second sentence I’m not sure about the two letter words at 400, 410, and 413 the last word. Is the last word et cetera?